Ethnic unity is good, but what about financial freedom?

General chit chat.

Ethnic unity is good, but what about financial freedom?

Postby firstnamehere » Mon Sep 17, 2018 1:16 am

Let's fast forward a good four or five decades. Assuming this movement goes anywhere (and I am not convinced it will based on the activity I have seen thus far), assuming it successfully shapes the social and cultural climate of major towns and cities across the northwest and eventually comes into its own as a political movement, and assuming there is eventually an ethnic and cultural unity among the majority of the northwest, I am curious what specifics the leaders of this movement have to say on the matter of money.

To briefly state my stance, the Federal Reserve is a parasitic leech on the body of the American people. Fractional reserve banking and the issuance of currency with interest to the government from a private entity means that, mathematically, it is outright impossible for the United States to ever be free of debt. The Federal Reserve, a privately owned central bank, essentially uses this principle and the reality of inflation (the more common a thing is, the less it is valued. Increase the supply, lessen the value) and priority lending (those who are first issued any created Federal Reserve notes are least susceptible to the concern of inflation, as the newly created currency has only just started its circulation) to funnel wealth from the people and the government to themselves imperceptibly over time. It is an abomination which has enslaved the population of this country without them ever having realized it. More information may be obtained by watching these videos
The Money Masters
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVxWPkMXOmw
How Quantative Easing & Fractional Reserve Banking Work
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3hLKpKv3ME
The Biggest Scam In The History of Mankind - Hidden Secrets of Money Episode 4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFDe5kUUyT0
I further believe that this issue cannot be truly solved by reverting to a metal based currency system, such as the ever-popular gold and silver, on the simple basis that powerful and wealthy elites such as the Rothchilds, Rockerfellers, and other descendants of European banking aristocracy control the vast majority of gold stores (and likely silver as well), and thus were one to attach the value of their currency to the value of such metals, that currency would be easily manipulated by these elites who, having proven themselves as lovers of usury, would have ever means and incentive to use their financial power to squash such upstarts as you, were God to grace you with success enough to be a threat.

The constitution designed on this site is worryingly vague on the details of the nature of this society's currency system. To quote the relevant passage,

Article XX. The National Convention shall have the sole power to levy all excise and customs duties, taxes, and other imposts, including any and all fees charged by government for any goods or services whatsoever. All monies due to the state or any agency thereof shall be paid directly into the State Treasury and shall be apportioned according a budget laid out by the Finance Minister and approved by the National Convention as a whole.

Article XXI. The Finance Ministry shall have operational authority over all coinage and issuance of money or other legal tender within the Republic, but ultimate power over all such coinage and issuance of money shall reside in the National Convention, which shall have the power to amend or rescind any act of the Finance Ministry with relation to monetary affairs by resolution carried on a majority vote.

Article XXII. Neither the state nor any local government or authority shall levy any tax or impost upon individual income or on real property in the form of land, family housing, or homestead, nor upon any family owned farm. Income taxes may be leveled upon corporations or organizations of any commercial, social, or religious character deemed necessary. Property taxes may be leveled upon any land, buildings, structures, manufactories, or facilities used for commercial purposes, corporate agribusiness, or for religious purposes.


Though this Finance Ministry is said to have authority over coinage and legal tender, it does not strictly define what such coinage or legal tender ought to *be*. It is my opinion that, in lieu of the American Dollar (with its precarious position solely propped up by the United State's military efforts to force Middle Eastern countries to sell their oil in dollars, thus artificially creating demand for our currency which is doomed to one day end which shall subsequently end in hyperinflation once the gravy train ends and other countries have no more need of dollars for the sake of acquiring oil), and in lieu of gold or silver backed currencies (which are, as stated, subject to manipulation by a specific foe who will try their hardest to put us back in chains should this movement take off), that it should look to the success of President Lincoln's Greenbacks, which is to say government issued fiat currency, as inspiration for a monetary system that would best serve the community.

It is reassuring to see that some here realize the need for the people's government to be the issuer of currency, as once given to private bankers ensures enslavement for our children, but I feel some more thought needs to be given for the eventual means through which bankers will strike back, and the gold and silver market is one means by which they may.

Your thoughts?
firstnamehere
 
Posts: 3
Joined: Mon Sep 17, 2018 12:21 am

Re: Ethnic unity is good, but what about financial freedom?

Postby andydonner » Wed Sep 19, 2018 10:04 pm

I apologize for not having a better or longer answer, but I should point out that nowhere was economic freedom specifically prohibited. Quite the opposite, actually, but that's going to take some RFN listening. In general, here's how things are projected to work:

1.) Certain specific details will be handled by the people actually bringing the NAR into existence and they will have earned the right to decide these things then and there. Our projections are just that: projections. Always bear this in mind.
2.) While the NF and the Draft Constitution are not explicitly National Socialist, they are largely influence by National Socialism's handling of various issues and this is more or less the same for financial matters.
3.) #2 being the case, it is understood that a public fiat currency (rather than a private or public non-fiat currency) is the best national policy because money is brought in to existence in an interest-free environment only when something useful or productive is done such that money ought to be created. That's the issue of inflation and private central banking solved in no time flat.
4.) Your assessment of the metals situation is certainly valid and while I respect people who would disagree, the most stable societies have not restricted themselves to substance-based currencies but have instead seen fit to avoid the manipulation of said substances altogether. If nothing else, the issue of counterfeiting goes away entirely because the government's financial arm can simply phase out old currency for new as needed through controllable processes should large-scale counterfeiting be detected.

In general, it would be imprudent for the Northwest Front to project too fine a level of detail onto a situation which simply does not exist and will, when it does come about, require a significant degree of playing by ear to suit the time and place.

And as for the Butler Plan succeeding or not, well, I can only think to introduce you to the White Character Problem. You'll find plenty of discussion of that on many episodes of Radio Free Northwest.
A. W. Donner
Facebook
Twitter
User avatar
andydonner
Site Admin
 
Posts: 1296
Joined: Fri Jul 06, 2012 7:09 pm
Location: Seattle, WA

Re: Ethnic unity is good, but what about financial freedom?

Postby firstnamehere » Sat Sep 22, 2018 5:04 pm

andydonner wrote:In general, it would be imprudent for the Northwest Front to project too fine a level of detail onto a situation which simply does not exist and will, when it does come about, require a significant degree of playing by ear to suit the time and place.


I understand we're talking quite far into the future, but I do not think this requires "a significant degree of playing by ear" at all. I think this is very clear-cut and divided. Subservience to the current financial system by continuing to use the American Dollar will result in slavery and theft of wealth. The creation of a government-back fiat currency is the only way in which we can truly escape financial control. I believe that any effort to break away from the insidious control scheme that we see taking grip of the western world, resulting in such things as multiculturalism and stolen wealth, MUST be done with a deep appreciate for HOW we arrived at the current state of our world. If we do not, we are doomed to failure, because it is ultimately control of currency that drives the decisions of nations. Without thinking about how to break free of the current economic slavery the Federal Reserve has placed us under, we will be back to square one within only a few generations, even assuming success occurs in the first place. By not creating firm stances on these issues to begin with, you only open yourself to sabotage and co-opting later down the road.

It must be noted that I am not claiming your constitution means that economic freedom is prohibited, I am imploring you to realize that a consequence of these details not being examined and accounted for means is that economic slavery is inevitable. Perhaps I am thinking too far-off, but there is no point in taking part in a movement which will result in only more of the same. We will be slaves wearing different collars, subservient to the same masters that wrecked our country to begin with.

I will try to steer things in a more productive direction than concerned projections and what-ifs, though. What, as a random passerby who deeply wants to see the end of the Federal Reserve and the formation of a strong ethnostate to try to recapture the prosperity enjoyed by the United States in the days before big bank took hold of it, should I do to help this movement come together in a meaningful fashion?
firstnamehere
 
Posts: 3
Joined: Mon Sep 17, 2018 12:21 am

Re: Ethnic unity is good, but what about financial freedom?

Postby firstnamehere » Tue Sep 25, 2018 7:41 pm

And if my godforsaken post ever actually goes through, you should be aware Andy that personally having to give the thumbs up to every singular piece of content posted on your site is probably the biggest singular reason this website is never going to take off. I understand the need for some level of moderation (in-so-far as the need for stopping spam bots from being loosed on your site), but this is absolutely a horrendous way to do it. The simple fact that people *cannot post and interact at a meaningful rate* means the forum is failing in its purpose before it's even truly begun, which is to allow communication among likeminded people. There is no energy, no excitement, no intrigue, no anything to be found here. Only a snail-crawl speed forum that isn't going anywhere, and certainly isn't going anywhere fast.

If this decision was made on account of spam bots or whatever, strongly consider looking into other options to prevent them, such as captchas. I think most people who have found this sort of site is quite familiar with the website known as 4chan. Seek to emulate some of what invites discussion on it. Low-to-no moderation alongside quick easy and anonymous posting invites a vast amount of discussion. Whatever you may think of the website itself, it attracted a following specifically *because* it is one of the few areas on the internet where one can openly discuss topics just such as the one this website was founded around. Only being able to post when some moderator permits it is insulting and obnoxious by comparison.

If you don't particularly care about the website's popularity, I can understand that to some degree, as browsing some of your previous posts you have said once or twice that the real issue is getting people personally involved beyond posting on a forum. That said, proportionally, while movers and shakers are going to be a very small subset of a population, and the majority of a population will be Lemmings (to borrow terminology from William Luther Pierce, more meaningfully described in this image which is evidently too large to post as an attachment: http://puu.sh/BB4hd/2f8445d790.png) to ignore gathering a population of some size to your website is to also ignore the movers and shakers as a consequence. Further, I personally assure you that part of the reason people fear personal involvement in this movement is that anyone redpilled enough to know of the dangers posed to the white race is also quite familiar with the history of FBI involvement with the Ku Klux Klan, and therefore potential movers and shakers are quite easily scared off.

There is no easy answer here. I for one have found a far larger dwelling of likeminded people in 4chan's Politically Incorrect board than here, but likemindedness without action is still worthless apathy. The attached picture states that when one group fighting against a dominant governmental power, propaganda has no effect on the Lemmings, but can still attract those I have called the movers and shakers, people who can get shit done. The form that propaganda takes and the means through which it is distributed should, I think, be a priority consideration when considering how find such valuable people.

But let me stop giving unwanted advice for a moment here and ask you something. As one just vain and arrogant enough to consider himself someone who very well could be a mover and shaker, answer this: What could you do to convince me that this isn't all some honeypot operation, designed to lure and ensnare well meaning white national socialists in some nefarious plot beyond what I could understand?
firstnamehere
 
Posts: 3
Joined: Mon Sep 17, 2018 12:21 am

Re: Ethnic unity is good, but what about financial freedom?

Postby andydonner » Thu Oct 04, 2018 8:08 pm

firstnamehere wrote:What, as a random passerby who deeply wants to see the end of the Federal Reserve and the formation of a strong ethnostate to try to recapture the prosperity enjoyed by the United States in the days before big bank took hold of it, should I do to help this movement come together in a meaningful fashion


Great question! The answer, as curt as it seems, is the same answer we give everyone else. Come Home to the Pacific Northwest and participate in making the Northwest American Republic a reality.
A. W. Donner
Facebook
Twitter
User avatar
andydonner
Site Admin
 
Posts: 1296
Joined: Fri Jul 06, 2012 7:09 pm
Location: Seattle, WA

Re: Ethnic unity is good, but what about financial freedom?

Postby andydonner » Thu Oct 04, 2018 8:31 pm

firstnamehere wrote:And if my godforsaken post ever actually goes through, you should be aware Andy that personally having to give the thumbs up to every singular piece of content posted on your site is probably the biggest singular reason this website is never going to take off.


The moderation situation isn't quite that bad here, actually, though we're looking to make it better all the time. Even so, we're not looking to make a website take off. The decision to do things this way was made a long time ago by the first admins of the board because we really do need to make sure we're not dealing with games-players.

firstnamehere wrote:But let me stop giving unwanted advice for a moment here and ask you something. As one just vain and arrogant enough to consider himself someone who very well could be a mover and shaker, answer this: What could you do to convince me that this isn't all some honeypot operation, designed to lure and ensnare well meaning white national socialists in some nefarious plot beyond what I could understand?


That's a fair question for the most part. First and foremost, the NF actively insists those involved not break the law since that does nothing towards the long-term goal. Secondly, and possibly more important, the Butler Plan is the only viable solution to White Genocide. Why would an infiltration operation encourage someone to participate in such a thing? If anything, ZOG would prefer that White Nationalists do literally anything else.

----------

And as an aside, Class A personalities (as the Party chooses to call "movers and shakers" handle things a certain way. I don't think I need to go in to details except to say that had you found me a few months prior to deciding to Come Home myself, I couldn't say I lived up to the standard. The key difference is concerning oneself less about one's own ideas and concerns in favor of whether or not one is participating in the only viable solution.
A. W. Donner
Facebook
Twitter
User avatar
andydonner
Site Admin
 
Posts: 1296
Joined: Fri Jul 06, 2012 7:09 pm
Location: Seattle, WA


Return to General Discussions

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest

cron