Re: Recruiting and propaganda spreading tips.
Posted: Sun Nov 29, 2015 9:24 am
Whoa, Erik. Welcome, and all that, but could we get a proper intro post first?
The Northwest Front. Our Race is Our Nation.
If we didn't care what you had to say, there wouldn't be any back and forth at all. Believe it or not, this serves plenty of purpose. And while we're on the subject of critique,Erik wrote:Its actually easier to waste a half hour writing a tome when you know no one is reading it and it serves no purpose anyways.
You have no way of knowing this and it is, in fact, patently false. Later stages of this process actually call for significant physical propaganda efforts (the early stages of which have actually been available in the form of Northwest Observer and other items for many years.) I opened my segment with the observation that, contrary to popular opinion, there are multiple projects underway - and very near completion - which will circumvent the need for the mainstream media and actually allow us to talk directly to the populations we need to target without even requiring the internet. I realize this is unfair for me to bring up without providing details, but I can't because doing so would risk making these project defunct. While nothing we're doing is illegal, the publication of specifics would likely compromise the security of these projects to the point where they would be effectively neutralized before their day in the sun arrives. The problem with these projects, as I also clearly stated during my segment, the holdup is boots on the ground.Erik wrote:Its that NWF is obsessed with staying on the internet, visibly terrified of actual benign engagement of locals... The idea of local outreach to normal people never occurs to NWF because it has no interest in normal people...
Here's why we insist on specificity: No solutions to the stated problem of "building local communities" have been proposed. I've actually had to spend quite a bit of time in the past on RFN detailing what is and is not a solution since this doesn't seem to be as straightforward as I would like it to be. The proposal repeatedly put to us is that we need to do it. The solution is the "how" rather than the "what" and I had hoped to convey the reality that the "how" to the problem of creating local communities is actually more complicated (when broken down into components) than the issue of Migration because it contains additional steps which, when accomplished, leave us with the core problem of motivation. To put it more plainly, even if we had the ability to pick and choose the locals we want to deal with and turn them racist, doing so wouldn't put us in the position everyone thinks it would.Erik wrote:NWF asks for what are blunt marketing suggestions for a product designed not to sell, and then proleptically rejects the chorus of common sense solutions everyone else can see, then wonder why its a minority.
Also false (and quite appropriately so following my remark on the qualities of solutions.) Whites will never out-breed non-Whites and this is yet another canard we periodically have to deal with. Even if the Party has accomplished precisely zero towards the Fourteen Words, neither will more White children (even if / when the birthrate among our race rises above the replacement level.) The historic causes of White Genocide (over the thousands of years over which it is known to occur) have always been capable of overcoming the White birthrate (and even causing its decline as they take effect.) The inability to assess the relevance of particular actions and their effects on a given problem is far worse than I would ever have figured, but it is what it is.Erik wrote:Strong booze and weak condoms have done more to further the existence of whites than seven combined years of this articulate if Quixotic method.
That's the fallacy of Democracy. Majority opinion does not dictate factual truth or physical reality. The NAR is a necessity to our survival and we need to find a way to make a virtue out of the task of bringing it into existence (regardless of whether or not the people carrying that task out Migrated or not, which is the actual problem behind the problem.) You observe (only somewhat correctly) that the NF seeks:Erik wrote:When I look [over the NF to date], it makes me think of those cola R&D promoters out there who are convinced their vision of grape Pepsi would have been a smash if it weren't for stupid majority opinion.
I did so yet without the input of a message board. All of the potential losses you named applied to me as well, but I still did this. This has also been true of everyone else who Came Home. Clearly, what we're proposing isn't all that nuts and we need to figure out what causes this sort of reaction to the Northwest Imperative. On yet another upcoming episode of RFN, I plan on covering the issue of who moves for what since it happens all the time for reasons which are far more petty and insignificant than economics or political / racial ideology. The focus on Migration is because the key to reproducing what works is to examine the successes and attempt to reproduce them. It's true that White people's lives matter, but there's no reason lives can't be built in the Pacific Northwest as opposed to other locations. Lives are always rebuilt after moves (which are known to occur outside of our racial / political context,) so the objection is largely invalid. Quality of life isn't a moral imperative, either, so this all comes back to the question I asked at the end of my segment (which could be rephrased as, "What does it take to get someone to do something which is not immediately in their personal interest or in line with their personal satisfaction?")Erik wrote:... to get people to uproot their lives to move who are somehow sane but base life decisions on a web forum, and of good character yet have nothing to lose as adults; family, friends, jobs, homes.
This could be said of the entire White Nationalist Movement. In fact, there have been pushes for "forming local communities" over many decades and the sort of public activity (which is anything but benign regardless of how it's imagined) required to do so has been met with an awful lot of pain and suffering over the years. I won't chase this rabbit except to emphasize that an understanding of Movement history is required to fully grasp why the NF doesn't what is does (and more importantly, what it does not do.) A more broad understanding will reveal the NF is actually trying to avoid doing what's been done before. Like most of the other feedback you offer, this observation is true, but not nearly as applicable as you want it to be because your premise justifying application is invalid.Erik wrote:There is no greater behavioral index of insanity than watching someone refuse to acknowledge outcomes and reality, then resentfully persist on the same course to produce said outcome while claiming you want something else. Its a basic failure to accept one's own motives.
I made it clear on RFN that I don't dispute the offers of advice are the result of genuine concern, but the thing about advice is that one must be in a position to offer it. It's not my purpose to cut anyone down, but unless someone has been a political organizer (around a very unpopular ideology, no less) with demonstrable results, they don't have a whole lot to offer in the way of advice. On the other hand, if someone like this is legitimately concerned enough about the survival of the White race, they should identify themselves as such and present credentials (along with proof of said results.) And following that, they should then provide a clear path to the implementation of the "convert the locals" proposal with specific emphasis on the issue of "how to make someone do things they would not otherwise do for various reasons" aspect of the problem. I personally have been involved in quite a few different political efforts over the years and the issue of outreach is never as clear-cut as the uninitiated make it out to be. I'm not shooting down input for the sake of disagreement; rather, I'm making sure the Party dots its "I's" and crosses its "T's" before we go anywhere near trying to organize on a large scale to prevent all the problems that causes (because I've seen them firsthand before, though not in a Racial Nationalist context.)Erik wrote:When we care enough to offer advice...