Economic Question (not covered in the DC?)

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Economic Question (not covered in the DC?)

Postby SupplyScout » Sun Oct 27, 2013 5:47 pm

I have now read the Draft Constitution twice and unless I am mistaken I don't believe what type of economy the NAR will have is covered. By this I mean will we have an economy based on actual gold/silver/etc?

I know we will not have an economy based on Kenisian (spelling?) theory with sepculative markets/etc.

Did these discussions come up while the DC was being written?
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Re: Economic Question (not covered in the DC?)

Postby andydonner » Mon Oct 28, 2013 6:58 pm

The money situation is something that the National Body is going to have to deal with. I've got my own opinions based on certain arcane historical examples, but I don't think I'll share them here since that would give someone who's gone off the deep end (though, with certain good reasons even if I don't agree with their conclusions) to freak out at the Party and accuse us of all sorts of things.

As for the economy itself, even without explicitly requiring National Socialism, does imply a certain amount of traditional socialism without entering a welfare situation. No one's going to get a hand out, but at the same time, everyone is required to contribute (i.e. National Labor Service, etc.) It's also worth noting that usury is forbidden, which prohibits certain economic arrangements as well. There's a certain misunderstanding (which may be a fault of the draft material, but it is what it is) that says the State will be forced to hand out jobs, homes, schooling, etc. to everyone because those things are listed as rights. Those items are rights inasmuch as is appropriate because in today's ZOG world, they are taken away from White people who publicly oppose the Powers That Be. Making those things rights means a person can't be deprived of them but doesn't mean a person doesn't have to provide for themselves and their family.

When we get to the real thing, there might need to be a slight adjustment there to clear things up so that Aryan socialism doesn't get confused with Welfare and handouts, but that's for another day.
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Re: Economic Question (not covered in the DC?)

Postby SupplyScout » Mon Oct 28, 2013 7:56 pm

I agree. I consider myself a Racial Socialist as apposed to a National Socialist (although that is splitting hairs) because a 21st century NS society in North America will not resemble what the NSDAP did in Germany although I do think they had the right idea on the economy and I am convinced that is why (besides taking power away from the Jews in all walks of life) WWII was fought.
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Re: Economic Question (not covered in the DC?)

Postby andydonner » Tue Oct 29, 2013 6:06 pm

Since the National Socialist economy has been brought up, I'm going to risk the wrath of the metals crowd and point something out: For various extremely esoteric, historic, and other reasons, metals as currency poses a very unique problem. As it turns out, to some alternative historians I'm somewhat familiar with, the metal-as-money schemes were the first step towards private central banks and Monopoly Money as currency. The ideal arrangement is what the Germans did (which, in all honesty, probably started the war) was to create a public central bank free of Jew influence which produced fiat currency. The backing value was the production and service capacity of the German people and the currency was only brought into existence when the German economy created value.

This way, the true currency never inflated / deflated and the metal-money fallacy was never invoked. The way I understand this is that when the first fiat currency is counterfeited, the government can just switch to another without much trouble whereas when metal must be the money, counterfeiting becomes a serious problem. This flaw was used to push for more and more evil banking arrangements because it was designed to fail.

Metal-money appears a much better solution than what the modern world has today because it is. The trouble is that it's not good enough, if the difference is clear.
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Re: Economic Question (not covered in the DC?)

Postby SupplyScout » Tue Oct 29, 2013 8:58 pm

This is a huge segway from our discussion but I was wondering what you (and the Party) think of having a National Identification Card. With such a system it could not only serve as an I.D./Operators License/Medical Records/etc but it could also serve as the National Debit Card. If there will only be one centralized bank everyone could have a "smart card" ID and it could have multiple uses.

This would then make the counterfitting issue a non-starter. It could also be used during election times as each card would also have varying levels of privledges for Residents and Citizens of the various classes. Insert your "smart card" ID at a polling location and it will give a First Class Citizen 3 votes.

I know that this idea under our USA government would be used for evil purposes but many programs that become twisted in this country I believe would be wonderful assets in an all white society.
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Re: Economic Question (not covered in the DC?)

Postby MAC » Tue Oct 29, 2013 10:44 pm

I believe the official position is that certain "licensing" will not be implemented. For example, you buy a car and you register it to show you're the owner. Done once, you've paid your sales tax and you're done. It is now your property and you don't have to license it every year. While a registration plate may be mandated in order to differentiate your car from your neighbors, that isn't something that's really been discussed (as I recall.) Same with the driver's license. You've taken a test to prove you are capable of operating a vehicle, done no need to prove it again, you get a driver's certification.

While I do personally think a national ID card should be required to provide personal identification, I don't agree with the licensing and taxing aspect of them. I also cringe at the thought of creating some form of ID (*cough, microchip) that holds all your personal info, banking, licensing, etc . This creates a method for the State to take too much power over individuals personal lives. Our goal is to free people from that oppressive zionist idea.
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Re: Economic Question (not covered in the DC?)

Postby SupplyScout » Wed Oct 30, 2013 5:55 am

I see the point of peoples concerns about this subject. From my perspective I believe that their isn't any difference (except for cost savings to the State & a streamlined process) between one Northwest American Republic Common Access Card (this is exactly what a military ID is) that replaces - drivers license, social seccurity card, medical benefits card, debit card, etc.

Whether we have on CAC card or the myriad of ID cards we now use any government could use the information for good or ill. My belief is once the NAR is a reality residents and citizens will not need to worry about abusive government policies.
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Re: Economic Question (not covered in the DC?)

Postby MAC » Wed Oct 30, 2013 10:04 am

The problem with creating a single ID system wherein your entire life is placed into a database that is tied to that card is one of security. First, there wouldn't be a driver's license but a driver's certification. As that's something that isn't renewed every year or every five years, there's no real need for it to be on some database. Same with any other licensing that we would get rid of. You see, when you create a massive database to put all your info in, it WILL be hacked and your info WILL be compromised. It's not a matter of if but when. Our federal government is arguably one of the most secretive in the world and their databases, computer networks and such are hacked frequently. In fact back in the 80's (I forget exactly when) when the pentagon got their first computer network set up, within the first couple years someone hacked it and left a "hello" message on every terminal.

Now is it really hurtful if someone finds in your medical records that you had a wart removed? Probably not. But it wouldn't be a good thing for hackers to discover and share that the state President has a heart condition, or that some top scientist has a super sensitive allergy. Besides, your medical records and history are no ones business but your own and your doctor's.

So again. While a basic national ID will be likely, it won't be an end-all be-all of your life. Just an ID. Not a driver's license, not your bank account, not your medical records, not your library card. Well, perhaps it could be your library card. But there's an old farmer's saying, "Never put all your eggs in one basket." It's not so much that I worry about our own government using the info for ill. While that is a possibility as it is with ALL governments. The problem is in those who wish us harm (kikes) who can gain access to every citizens personal data covering their entire lives. Israel has one of the best computer hacking teams in the world. They specialize in hacking into other government's systems and gleaning as much info as they can. They are liars, cheats and thieves, it's in their genetics.

Not only all that security stuff, it is also a management and financial nightmare. Our own government is learning just what a hassle the medical system alone is. The NAR government will have bigger things to worry about then maintaining medical records and driving records. And remember, licensing will be done away with for many things. No driver's licenses, no vehicle licenses. So we really don't need to worry about them.
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Re: Economic Question (not covered in the DC?)

Postby andydonner » Wed Oct 30, 2013 6:10 pm

I'm not so into centralized systems like that, despite my desire for strong, consolidated State power. Easy for most people, sure, but anything totally dependent on electronics and computers will be a no-go for a long time in the Republic since it creates the ability for hostile entities to completely disrupt day-to-day operations. The early portions of Freedom's Sons deals with that quite nicely in my opinion.
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