Greg Johnson (TOQ): Could you give us a brief autobiography and tell us how you became
involved in White Nationalism?
Harold Covington: I was born in Burlington, North Carolina in 1953. I had my first
dose of racial reality at age 15 when I was thrown into an integrated high school
in Chapel Hill, NC which was bad by the standards of the day (1968) but which of
course was a kindergarten compared to the racial situation that exists in our schools
today. All we had to worry about back in my time was blacks with knives rather than
organized gangs and drug dealers armed with semi-autos, and of course there were
the hippy-dippy SDS type radicals, many of whom I noticed even at the time appeared
to be Jews. Homosexuals didn’t even come into the equation back in those days, and
the drugs at school were just beer and grass and LSD, not ecstasy or coke or crack.
I won’t go off into a long digression about the various horrible racial experiences
I had in high school, but on the day I finally left there, I looked back and made
a silent personal vow that I would devote my life somehow to making sure that no
young White person ever again had to go through what I had to go through in that
place. Again, I didn’t realize how relatively mild my problems had been and how terrible
things would become in my lifetime.
For reasons I won’t get into, basically having to do with the fact that my father
was a psychopath, he ordered me out of the family home and I went into the United
States army at 17. My experiences in the military provided a further dose of racial
reality, although once again I understand they were nothing compared to what young
White enlistees go through nowadays when the military has in desperation lowered
the recruitment criteria to include drug addicts, criminals, gang-bangers, etc.
I did my basic at Fort Polk, Louisiana and then was sent for infantry training at
Fort Jackson, South Carolina and Ranger School at Fort Benning, Georgia. At Fort
Jackson I picked up a paperback book in the day room called The Order of the Death’s
Head, by a German named Heinze Höhne. Rare among studies of the Third Reich, the
book was actually reasonably objective, and it had the effect of more or less converting
me to National Socialism. I remain a National Socialist in my personal outlook to
this day. While I was stationed at Schofield Barracks, Hawaii I joined the National
Socialist White People’s Party (NSWPP), which was founded by George Lincoln Rockwell,
and was then run by a man named Matt Koehl. I formed a unit of a Party front group
called the White Servicemen’s League and ended up getting discharged early, albeit
under honorable conditions. Nowadays, of course, I’d probably end up in Leavenworth
After I got out of the army I served on permanent NSWPP staff at the headquarters
in El Monte, California under the now-legendary Lt. Joseph Tommasi, who was murdered
in 1975. I then became editor of the Party newspaper White Power in Arlington, Virginia.
In 1974 I worked for a construction company in Johannesburg, South Africa for about
six months, and then went to Rhodesia and joined the Rhodesian Army. In 1976 I was
deported from Rhodesia for my activities with the proto-NS Rhodesia White People’s
Party, along with two of my fellow Americans, Eric Thomson and Jeffrey Spencer. That’s
an interesting example of conservatives being our true worst enemy. I was deported
on the personal orders of Ian Smith, and we all know what Mr. Smith’s conservatism
did to Rhodesia.
From then on it was the usual long Movement history of different groups, different
approaches, all of them pretty much dead ends because there basically isn’t anything
that can be done on an all-America basis in order to reverse the terminal decline
of Western civilization on this continent, at least not without the use of a level
of armed force which practically speaking, the Movement will never have at its disposal.
In 1982 I more or less went on the run for five years due to a legal situation which
I’m still not certain it’s completely safe for me to get into, given the paranoid
nature of our lords and masters these days and their eagerness to find something,
anything, to use as an excuse to plop me down in the cell next to Bill White and
Matt Hale. I ended up in Ireland, which at that time had no extradition treaty with
the USA, due to the embarrassment and political complications for the Dublin government
which would be caused by possibly extraditing IRA men back and forth across the Atlantic.
I learned a lot in Ireland. I didn’t just hang out in pubs guzzling Guinness; I read
all the newspapers and watched RTE and BBC Northern Ireland, I made trips into the
North, I talked to certain people (very carefully) and I sat quietly in certain known
IRA pubs nursing a pint or two of Smithwick’s, listening and observing very carefully.
Basically, in Ireland, I saw how it’s done in the modern world, not in 1930s Germany,
and it was an invaluable education.
It’s true the IRA didn’t win in the main sense of the term, but Communists though
they are (and I know that) this small band of dedicated White working class men and
women fought a major Western democratic military power to a standstill, and forced
the Brits to buy them off instead of crushing them. Like Rocky Balboa, they went
a full fifteen rounds with Godzilla and they were still standing at the end of it.
The lesson I draw from this and other events in the past 20 years is that it can
In 2000, in the aftermath of what Morris Dees did to Pastor Butler, I finally came
out openly for territorial White separatism in the form of the Northwest Imperative.
TOQ: Can you explain the Northwest Imperative, and tell us how you came to believe
Harold Covington: The Northwest Imperative is based on the conviction, an accurate
one, that the United States of America in its present form is doomed, and that it
is necessary to the physical survival of the White race that we establish a Homeland
for all of our people worldwide somewhere on the North American continent. Economics,
demographics, and logistics dictate that the best location for such a Homeland is
here in the Pacific Northwest. In addition, we have a long history here of commitment
and martyrdom here in the Northwest: Bob Mathews and the Order men, Sam and Vicky
Weaver, Gordon Kahl, and our latest martyr from the Northwest Front, Jeff Hughes
of Vancouver, Canada.
The essence of the Northwest Idea is to reduce the problem to manageable proportions.
We are simply too weak, disorganized, and too few to take over the United States,
and we need to accept that just ain’t gonna happen. Instead of a whole huge continent
and 300 million mostly hostile people to worry about, we reduce the problem geographically
and demographically to three and a half states with about 12 million people, mostly
White. Given the inevitable coming implosion of the United States and the collapse
of the central authority in Washington D.C., when they run out of money to pay their
mercenaries, bureaucrats, and enforcers, the Northwest Imperative is do-able in a
way that no other plan we’ve ever come up with is do-able.
The Northwest Imperative also reduces the problem to that of a colonial war, and
there are numerous models from the last century as to how to wage and win a colonial
war. The objective is to make the disputed territory ungovernable and turn it into
a massive rathole down which the occupying power bleeds money, manpower, and resources
until it can’t stand the hemorrhage any longer and cuts its losses. The most important
statement in any of my Northwest novels, so important that I have various characters
say it over and over again in all four books, is this: “In a colonial war, it’s never
the generals who surrender. It’s the accountants.”
TOQ: Can you tell us what you are doing to promote the idea of a Northwest homeland
and to prepare for its concrete realization?
Harold Covington: We have formed the “Party” of the Northwest novels, called the
Northwest Front, although it isn’t really a Party yet and probably won’t be for some
time. Right now it’s just what the name says, a broad front rather than a party.
We have participation from people who are involved with other groups and from people
who are involved with none. There is no formal membership status, no chain of command,
and no hierarchy. We provide what support we can to anyone who lives here or who
is willing to come here to the Homeland and work for Northwest independence.
Eventually that will have to change, of course. Eventually there must be a disciplined,
fighting revolutionary Party of political soldiers, but that’s going to take us a
while. White Americans are the sloppiest, laziest, most narcissistic and most undisciplined
people in the world, and they simply can’t wrap their minds around a European concept
such as the political soldier. Not yet. They will have to change, or they will perish
from the earth.
TOQ: Like most of the people in the racialist movement today, my awakening and education
were enormously aided by the internet. You yourself have a substantial web presence.
Yet you are known as a staunch critic of movement's strong dependence on the internet.
Can you explain your views on the virtues and limits of the internet for white nationalism?
Harold Covington: The internet is a reality of 21st century life. I understand and
accept that. It can no more be un-invented than gunpowder or nuclear power can be
un-invented. The Net has become a necessary evil, but an evil nonetheless, in my
For one thing, the internet is largely sterile politically. It produces almost nothing
except more Net. Somebody sees a great pro-White web site and they are inspired with
enthusiasm—to build another web site. There is this immense disconnect between what
is essentially a fantasy world in cyber-space and the real world out here where White
people are unemployed and foreclosed White families are beginning to live in tent
cities called Obamavilles.
The internet gives the White male a feel-good factor which he doesn’t have to earn.
He sits down at his computer after work with a bowl of nachos and a few cold brewskis,
he plays around on VNN or surfs the web looking for racial stuff, maybe he makes
a post or two, and then at the end of the evening he gets up and staggers off to
bed with the feeling that he has accomplished something, but he hasn’t. All he has
done is to generate words, and words are no good on earth if they never translate
into physical action.
The internet provides the White male with a substitute for action, and with a place
where he can hide. Yes, I understand that most of us have jobs and families and homes
we have to protect, but the fact remains that at some point in time we are going
to have to stand erect once more, like men, and not with our heads hung down and
our eyes lowered and our feet shuffling in the presence of our Jewish and liberal
lords and masters. The internet does not facilitate the strengthening of the one
ancient virtue of our people which we need most of all to re-discover: simple physical
Finally, the internet provides something that our highly dysfunctional people cannot
resist: consequences-free misbehavior. This is not just a Movement phenomenon; it’s
a White thing. The internet is a looney bin, and everyone knows it. The internet
is where sick and twisted and often quite deranged people go to vomit. I have never
seen anything like some of the filth, the depravity, the idiocy, and the just plain
raving madness that I find on the internet every day. I know quite ordinary and apparently
stable, functional, and successful people who sit down behind that keyboard, and
all of a sudden they get a visit from Mr. Hyde. You’ve heard of discovering one’s
Inner Child? It’s like the lure of consequences-free misbehavior on the internet
unlocks some people’s Inner Nut.
All of this having been said, the internet remains the only medium of mass communication
we have access to, the only place that provides anything remotely resembling a level
playing field, which is probably why the Jews and the government hate it so much.
Love the internet or hate it, we seem to be stuck with it.
TOQ: Many of our people dwell on negative signs, and there are plenty of them. Do
you see positive signs? Do you think there are good reasons for hope?
Harold Covington: Oh, yes, certainly. So long as one doesn’t confuse hope with optimism.
For one thing, it is a historical truism that nothing last forever. This Francis
Fukuyama rap about liberal democracy being the “end of history” is horse dung. Everything
ends, and the present Zionist world order will end as well, quite possibly within
the lifetime of those now born. It may not end the way we want it to end, and it
may drag the White race and Western civilization down with it, but oh, yes, it will
end. Our task in this and coming generations is to make sure that we survive the
collapse of this massive evil, along with at least some semblance of Western civilization.
For another thing, for all our weaknesses and flaws we are still the most intelligent
and potentially the bravest and most hardy race on earth. It takes more than 100
years of liberal brainwashing, political correctness, and McDonalds’ Happy Meals
to contaminate and extinguish a whole human genotype. Deep down we are still the
men our ancestors were, it’s just sometimes it’s so deep down we can’t read our genetic
We can do this thing. We can beat these bastards, any time we so choose. The question
is, will we so choose? The Weltfiend is counting on his ability to obscure our racial
light in a murk of questions, indecision, introspection, corruption, and apathy,
to drag the whole world into the shades of grey in which the Jew thrives. If we can
achieve moral clarity in our souls we will recover our courage, and when we recover
our courage we will rip their hearts out.
TOQ: One of the things that most struck me about your Northwest Quartet is the attitude
of high moral seriousness that these novels communicate, which I think is a valuable
corrective to the movement's general ethos of emotional self-indulgence. But you
are better at communicating this than I am. Most white nationalists accept that our
race is facing oblivion. What more do they need to get serious?
Harold Covington: The stock answer to that is that things have to get so bad that
every White man, woman and child is personally affected in their own lives by the
current crisis of civilization. They must lose their houses, their jobs, their SUVs
and their plasma TVs and all that nice cold beer in the fridge. This is certainly
true as far as it goes, and it is now at long last beginning to happen during this
onset of the Obama Depression.
But I believe that more has to happen. There has to be a genuine spiritual awakening
that burns away the past several generations of excrement that the Jews have caked
around our souls. Our people must once more learn to value something higher than
their own private lives and their own creature comforts. I personally found this
in National Socialism, others find it in religion, but one of the advantages of turning
this into a colonial war is that it allows for the creation of a new (or rather old)
idealism in our hearts, a secular nationalism that aspires to the creation of a new
country, free of alien oppressors. That will work. Ask the Irish.
TOQ: Early in your career, you were an avowed National Socialist. How has your thinking
changed since then? In your view, what are the enduring truths in National Socialism,
and what are its limitations?
Harold Covington: I am just as much a National Socialist now as I ever was. The enduring
truth of National Socialism lies in one slogan: “Our race is our nation.” National
Socialism affirms the primacy of race over lesser aspects of human existence such
as religion and nationality.
I have, however, come to realize that most Americans are totally spiritually unequipped
to accept such a doctrine. They don’t speak the language. They simply haven’t been
engineered that way, and of course 70 years of Jewish hate propaganda, misrepresentation,
and distortion hasn’t helped. Back in my youth in the old Party, we had the idea
that through a process of long and slow education we could wean a sufficient number
of our people away from the Jewish narrative and make them see the truth, but we
didn’t do so hot at that, and now we are out of time. Simply and starkly, it’s about
racial survival now, and that has to take first place in our strategy.
In order to convince people, you must first put yourself on a credible basis of communication
with them, and you can’t do that by immediately confronting them with symbols and
ideas that they have been conditioned from birth to reject. Every essential principle
of National Socialism has a perfectly reasonable and understandable circumlocution
that can be used within the American context so as to bypass the socially-engineered
rejection mechanisms which have been implanted in White people’s brains. Call it
National Socialism Lite, if you will. I don’t like it, but the urgency of our racial
crisis overrides my personal feelings.
TOQ: What are the books, writers, and historical events that have most shaped your
particular version of white nationalism?
Harold Covington: Besides National Socialist works and history? First and foremost
there is the life and work of Commander George Lincoln Rockwell. There’s the American
Civil War, of course. I was born and raised in the last of the Old South, when it
was considered entirely normal to have Confederate flags on one’s possessions and
when it was still possible to see Confederate heroes positively portrayed on TV and
in comic books, etc.
Easter 1916 and the Irish War of Independence is another obvious example. I think
the situation in Ireland in the 1920s is probably as close a parallel to our situation
today as can be drawn. Later on we may draw some insight from the Spanish Civil War,
which I always liked—the last war the good guys actually won.
My main Movement mentors were Major William Gaedtke, the last head of the old America
First Committee (the Lindbergh one) and Pastor Robert Miles. They taught me the ropes.
I learned a lot from Matt Koehl as well. I never thought I’d say this, and I still
don’t agree with what Koehl did to the NSWPP, but after three decades I now understand
why Koehl did a lot of the things he did.
TOQ: I really enjoy your novels. I have reviewed the Northwest Quartet, and I have
also read Slow Coming Dark, Fire And Rain, and most recently The Stars In Their Path,
as well as the collection Other Voices, Darker Rooms. Who are your main literary
influences? Which of your works are your favorites and why?
Harold Covington: My father was a reader of pulp science fiction back in the 1950s
and 1960s, and he had these big cardboard cartons of old sci-fi paperbacks in the
basement, including a lot of the old Ace doubles that went for 50 cents in those
days and would probably go for a couple of hundred bucks apiece today if you could
get hold of an intact copy. They were written by all the sci-fi greats of the 50s
and 60s: Robert A. Heinlein, Brian Aldiss, Philip K. Dick, Alfred Bester, Edmond
Hamilton, Alan E. Nourse, Andre Norton, Ray Bradbury, etc. Those were my first bulk
reading, and then starting about age 14 I somehow (don’t remember how) discovered
H. P. Lovecraft, and that was love at first sight. I still lug around three-volume
Arkham House set of his complete works with me wherever I go.
My Northwest novels are purely political polemics, wherein I say things that wouldn’t
be politic to say openly in any other context. They are for the purpose of imparting
ideas and disseminating practical information using what Lenin called “Aesopian Language,”
the language of fable. My actual fiction as such, novels like The Stars In Their
Path, The Renegade, Vindictus, etc. aren’t really “influenced” by anyone or anything.
They’re just stories I get into my febrile brain and which I have to purge by telling
them and letting them out.
As to my favorites, excluding the Quartet, which don’t count because they’re not
really novels in the true sense of the word, I’d have to say that The Madman and
Marina [in Other Voices, Darker Rooms] is the best short piece I’ve ever done. It
may possibly even be the best piece, period—I once had an e-mail correspondent in
St. Petersburg tell me he didn’t believe that my name is Covington, that I had to
be a Russian writing under an American pseudonym, because only a Russian could produce
such a Dostoyevskyan story. I consider that to be the best review I’ve ever had.
Personal favorite among the long novels? The Stars In Their Path, I’d say. Like all
my other books it tells a story, but I use reincarnation as a device to keep on telling
the same story over and over and over again, a different way each time and with different
characters, rather than draw the same plot out to 100,000 words of padding. I think
that was neat, if I do say so myself.
TOQ: In the Northwest Quartet and Fire And Rain, I was especially impressed with
how you can blend intense drama with light comedy, classical eloquence with pop-culture
slang and vulgarity. Joss Whedon and Quentin Tarantino came to mind. Do you pay attention
to popular culture? Do you watch movies or television? Name some favorite writers,
directors, movies, TV shows.
Harold Covington: I don’t watch television any more, and haven’t for a long time.
It’s not just that it’s Judaized to the max and politically nauseating, it’s just
stupid. Moronic. I glance over hulu.com every now and then, and I don’t see anything
on there that prompts me to get cable again. Why pay $75 a month for drivel?
Movies are another matter. DVDs from the Blockbuster bargain racks are about the
only form of recreation I can afford, besides a library card. In that sense yes,
I have managed to keep up with enough popular culture, especially among young White
people (negrofied though that culture is) so that I can make my young characters
believable. I think so, anyway. None of my youthful readers have complained so far.
There are certain movies that just plain creep me out, like Naked Lunch, and there
are certain flicks I find fascinating because they’re just plain bizarre, like Dark
Star and the American version of Kingdom Hospital, which IMHO is the just plain weirdest
thing ever shown on television. My own DVD collection includes Henry the Fifth, (Kenneth
Branagh version), Zulu, The 13th Warrior, The Outlaw Josey Wales, and a few oddballs
from the 70s like Time After Time and Absolution. I gave some friends of mine the
first five episodes of Sharpe's Rifles. I like a lot of escapist swashbuckling stuff,
as you can tell.
TOQ: Do you plan to write any more novels?
Harold Covington: At this point I would say probably not. I’m pretty much NVA’ed
out. There is a limit to what can be accomplished through fantasy and the creation
of a fictional mythos. If I have not yet succeeded in imparting a vision of possibility
to our people in the four Northwest novels already extant, I probably never will.
I am concentrating henceforth on trying to turn the vision into reality through the
Northwest Front, the “Party” of the novels, and it’s a five-star bitch. Getting “our”
people to peep out from behind their computers and commit a real live physical act
out here in the real world is like pulling teeth. Half of my contacts I can’t even
get to respond to an e-mail.
I still have some bits and pieces of novels and stories lying around in manuscript
form and on my computer, plus some ideas I’d like to play with if I ever get the
time and the right situation (like the long prison sentence on some ridiculous fabricated
charge which I’m sure our lords and masters would like to oblige me with). The main
one is a kind of adult version of the Harry Potter series where a secret society
of powerful Aryan spirits operating in a kind of nether world one step above this
dimension use their magical powers to try and reverse the destruction of our people
wrought by the Sauron-like Jewish overlord of the Dark World, although it would hopefully
come across a little more convincing than that. I doubt I’ll ever get around to it,
though. I need to concentrate what time I have left on building something in the
TOQ:The Stars In Their Path surprised me because it is a rather "metaphysical" novel.
In my opinion, you are very wise to counsel white nationalists to be neutral on religious
issues. But you are also a private citizen too. So Citizen, can you tell us about
your religious and metaphysical beliefs and how you arrived at them?
Harold Covington: I believe in reincarnation because I myself have witnessed and
experienced events that indicate to me that it is at least part of the process that
happens to the human soul or personality after death. I won’t get into the details
of these experiences here, because my present life is all about the 14 Words and
such beliefs aren’t really germane to my racial work. We are meant to live our lives
in this world, not the next. My metaphysical world view has provided me with one
invaluable spiritual asset, in that I do not fear death, although admittedly any
Islamic suicide bomber can say the same.
When I went out into the bush in Rhodesia, for example, I was never afraid of being
killed. Coming back armless or legless from a land mine, or blind, or in a wheelchair,
now that scared the bejesus out of me, but not actual death, and that’s a handy spiritual
resource to have. I do not, however, insist on these beliefs, nor do I try to impose
them on others. I am not missionary about them for the simple reason that I know,
and others are going to find out in the fullness of time, and it doesn’t really matter
what they believe. Whatever floats their boat. For me the question is resolved—again,
a good asset for a revolutionary to be packing.
TOQ: It is depressing to contemplate how much effort goes into things that we would
not think twice about if we just came to grips with the fact that we are going to
die, and we don't know when. It can happen any day. What do you think gives meaning
to human life? Do you think there is a larger meaning and purpose to the universe?
Do you think it links up with individuals lives?
Harold Covington: As opposed to my certainty on reincarnation, I take a rather Zen-ish
attitude towards the meaning of each individual life itself. Just because you’re
going to get more than one go-round is no excuse for slacking. This world is a school
where we are sent to learn and to grow as individual spiritual beings, You start
out in the equivalent of kindergarten and work your way through grades one through
six, junior high, high school, university, maybe some cosmic post-grad work, who
knows? You get the idea. Kids who goldbrick and just try to skate through in school
don’t turn out well as a rule, and neither do human spirits. Karmically speaking
it is possible to “fail a grade,” many times over, and be forced to keep on repeating
the same experiences and facing the same obstacles until one buckles down to it,
overcomes those obstacles, and develops properly.
There is nothing at all wrong with spiritual ambition and a drive for excellence,
to live one’s life for the purpose of leaving behind a better world than one found
at birth. Actually that’s how we all should be living, although needless to say most
don’t. Ideally every human life should accomplish something, and this involves overcoming
the physical, spiritual, and character-related flaws and obstacles that are part
of life. In my view, since the end result as far as the individual’s fate is foreordained
in any case, how you play the game is indeed the more important aspect of it all,
because that’s what you will take with you into your next existence.
TOQ: One thought that comforts me in darker moods is the fact that, long after the
Earth is just a burned out cinder in the emptiness of space, radio waves carrying
the music of Bach and Mozart and Wagner will still be traveling outwards, perhaps
to find ears worthy of them. (Of course all the crap ever broadcast will be out there
too.) Does music matter much to you? What are some of your favorite genres, musicians,
composers, and why?
Harold Covington: Classically speaking I enjoy Wagner, of course, as well as Mozart,
Verdi, Gregorian chant and Eastern Orthodox liturgical music, Gesualdo, Hildegard
von Bingen, and Aaron Copland, one of the few Jews to whom I would be inclined to
award “honorary Aryan” status.
But I don’t actually listen to much classical; it demands concentration in order
to be appreciated, and most of my mellows I play while I’m working or writing. I
did a mix tape I called the Northwest Soundtrack for some of my fans, consisting
of key mood pieces I listened to while composing certain sections of the Quartet
novels, and it included everything from Celtic symphonic music from the Granuaile,
Pilgrim, and Relief of Derry CDs, to rock music from Joe Walsh and Jefferson Airplane,
to bagpipes, to movie soundtracks and bluegrass.
My three main music collections I play on my computer while I’m working are entitled
“Irish,” which includes Enya, the Chieftains, the Corrs, Bothy Band and Planxty;
“Southern” which starts out with Ralph Stanley and moves on to Waylon Jennings, Flatt
and Scruggs, Steve Earle, Mike Cross, and Grandpa Jones; and finally “Rock” which
has Jefferson Airplane, Phil Collins, the Who, the Rolling Stones, and Runrig, among
TOQ: What are the best things you have done in your life so far, and what things
do you most regret doing or leaving undone?
Harold Covington: The best thing is my children. They despise me, of course, having
been carefully raised to do so by the other members of my family, and that fact has
not the slightest iota of effect on my love for them. It’s not their fault, and besides,
you can never really be angry at someone whose nappies you’ve changed. The fact is
that they exist, and I hope someday they will have children of their own and do better
by them than I was able to do.
The thing I regret most is not stepping forward with the Northwest idea many years
ago, when I knew and understood that it was the way to go. Certainly I knew after
Ruby Ridge that this was a sacrifice we could not ignore or denigrate by continuing
to waste our time on strategies that were proven failures, or even worse, by simply
continuing to drift. Why I didn’t step forward in 1992 and proclaim what I knew to
be the truth involves a lot of complex factors, some of them not very creditable
to me. It took the martyrdom of Pastor Butler for me to finally screw my courage
to the sticking point. Part of that growing process I mentioned, but it shouldn’t
have taken me that long, and if the NF is now running short on time, that is in a
large degree my fault. I regret that deeply, and hope I can make up for it in the
time I have left.
TOQ: I know a lot of very bright and promising young nationalists. I have recommended
your novels to them, even given them copies, and they have definitely been influenced.
What is your advice to young nationalists? If you had a son of 19 or 20, embarking
on adult life, what would you tell him?
Harold Covington: As cliché as this will sound, my first advice (which I was never
allowed to give to my actual son in real life) would be to learn a trade. Get a marketable
skill, something to sell, which will keep food on your table and a roof over your
If you are going to be politically effective, you have to start with those basics.
You can’t participate in a revolution while living under a bridge, and that’s where
millions of White people are headed. Learn to fix the rich man’s toys when they break,
learn to do it well and at an economical price, and you will always work. You have
to financially bulletproof yourself by acquiring a skill that somebody, somewhere,
will always be willing to pay you to exercise. When you’ve got a roof over your head,
a functioning motor vehicle, and your basic needs met, that’s your baseline for political
activity. You shouldn’t attempt it otherwise.
TOQ: Thank you.
Interview with Occidental Quarterly Editor Greg Johnson